Dude, that's indeed your PER***AL RECOMMENDATION. The original post was having words like "SCAM", which is not true. You should admit it.
That's the rea*** why the post was "censored".

GGC - check the maths in the previous post, and stop "****-talking" in every possible post, please? If you don't like something on WHentai - just leave the website.

Addendum: My per***al suggestion to Whentai would be to give each tier of bundles a UNIQUE promotional offer that's designed so that each tier (if promotion is used on it) ends up being more efficient than just buying from the next tier.

Example:
Buy three 20 EV bundles, get 90 extra EVs!
-This would (in practice) get you 150 EVs for 45$, which is comparable in price to buying one 100 EV bundle but nets you more EVs per dollar spent and more EVs in total.

Just extend this principle to the other tiers and bam, a discount that's fair to everyone involved.

If you can afford one tier but not the next, this offer would allow you to get more EVs than normal at roughly the same price by instead buying three bundles from the tier directly below it.

This would make it objectively beneficial to the customer to use the Holiday Discount versus not using it whenever possible, while retaining the logical progression of "Buying the higher tier bundles gets you more EVs per dollar than the lower one."

@Josuke
Dude.
Objective math is not a per***al recommendation. I am stating a FACT that literally everyone will objectively benefit from, other than the people who get money when someone overspends their cash on the site without realizing it. (Which is you. Gee, I wonder why you object so much?)

"If you step out that door, you will instantly die from the high temperatures."
"Well that's just like, your recommendation man!"

No. No, that is a fact that you are being informed of. If you are not informed of this fact, you are likely to cause yourself harm. In the above example, bodily. In this narrative as a whole, financially.

The original post calls the offer a scam because that is literally what it is.
You can say that it isn't however much you want, it's still objectively a scam.

The current ad has options that will literally be detrimental to the customer if they accept it.
These offers are presented as "Gifts" and "free content" while in reality, only half of the options are objectively beneficial at all and one of them is outright WORSE than not using the offer at all.

That is a scam. Textbook, by-the-letters, highway robbery scamming.

oh man! you speak out against these people and you get banned or your VIP account revoked even though they said it was permanent.

Lol Do you guys know that Patreon also takes part of payment... Kickstarter is taking over 15-20% too...
Like you won't find a page that would give the artist every dollar- for that you would probably need to do direct commision

... I wasnt asking- just pointing out that its no scam cuz most of sites works like that...

I would say most of internet is trash by now and It wont take long since all these sites gonna get banned due SJW fighters...

Ok. Lets all calm down for a Moment. Josuke, i will talk directly to you now. Last time i tried to indirectly tell you, that swinging the bann-/delethammer is not going to solve Problems. It is ging to cause them. I also told you, that argueing is not going to work after deleting a post like this. You already caused suspicion by doing that. You did both. The poeple are starting to distrust the site and you as an admin because of it now, as you can above. Dont get me wrong, this is not criticism. I am trying explain the situation calm to you. Cause the others are mad and suspicios of you now. I dont think they will try to solve anything here. Now to all of you. Give the site and the admins a chance to explain themselfs, maybe apologise and fix this. I dont know, if this is the spirit of christmas talking out of me, but lets apologise to each other, fix this, forget that any of this happend and move on.

@Dragohn
I agree that we all should calm down and just enjoy the holiday spirit! :^_^:

I have no trouble in keeping this post with all its maths and recommendations unless something like "WHENTAI SCAMS YOU ALL, GUYS!" appears in it. If the original post had the same text posted - there will be no hassle at all. But, originally it had a different attitude and was titled with a "SCAM" word.


As for artist GGC: it's a long-going story with him which is not related to the posts from DDM by any means. He got warned a few times: either stop **** talking about WHentai in each and every post, or stop receiving commissions here. He made his decision. He got all his EVs from the balance fairly paid out (so we owe him nothing), and his account was banned for the good. The only commission he got in waitlist (which he agreed to START working on in 16 days time) was canceled, the EVs returned to the member. All his multi accounts will get banned as well as a rule *********.

Just because I didn't call it a scam doesn't make it any less of one.
As I've repeatedly pointed out, half of the holiday offers are objectively detrimental to the customer no matter what. There is literally no rea*** for them to exist other than to be traps for people, there's objectively no circumstance in which a customer should ever go for them.

And still there's an ad every time you visit the site that tries to tell us that it's a special holiday "gift" from the site, use it now and get a good deal.
Intentional or not, that's a text-book scam. That's not an opinion, that's not a suggestion, that is objective fact. No ifs ands or buts.

I have yet to see you present any sound arguments that refute these complaints other than nonsense like "this is pointless, just let those who fall for it fall for it, it's fine."

Ok. Again lets calm down here. This time i will start with you DDM. Trust me get where you are comming from. I will try to explain what josuke meant back at the other posts. Some members here on ES only do unlocks of pics. For them it does not make sense to spend alot of momeny on evs. 20 boundle exists only for them. Thats their primary source of evs. The giftoption includes this boundle, to give these members a chance to make a good deal for their primary source of evs. It is just to give them option to spend less money, than they already do without paying a small fortune. That goes for all the others as well. And josuke. This is what i meant. I dont think, you were trying to scam. But by deleting a post that accused you and the site of it, you created the impression of it AND that you are trying to hide it. Thats why i would not call what CCG wrote ****talk. You created that impression and distrust towards you by deleting that post. I get that you dont want a bad impresion about the website runnimg rampage. But you should have talked about it with us or at least DDM about it. Ideal would have been to inform us how the gift should work, before starting it. And i think thats DDMs point here. And he is distrusting you now, cause you deleted his first post without talking with him and/or anyone else about why. And then you changed his second one. But this time you talked. The thing is, it was to late to arguee at this point. The damage was already done. Ok, i hope everyone has a better understanding of the others site of view now. Lets give CCG another chance, cause all of this started with a missunderstanding wich could have been easily avoided from both sides. So lets just calm down, apologise to each other, bring CCG back and have a nice christmas ^_^
Plus i think its a bit unfair for the members who just basicly lost their comms to a missunderstanding. I per***ily look forward to each and ervyone of mine. And i would feel like that, if i would find out that i lost them to missunderstanding.

DeepDarkMemes is Stealing and redrawing others work okay for you and bit dumb pricing not?
FOr me Dumb prices aint that big of problem but stealing work is just something that makes me mad...

Everybody gets wind up by different stuff and Ill give you advice I got from folks like you
"Dont be a crybaby and get over it, cuz it is how it is"

Way to bring up something entirely unrelated Roy.
I'm not fine with art theft, the difference between you and I is where we draw the line between what is and isn't theft. I simply think your standards for it are ludicrously over-the-top.

I don't see why this issue doesn't trigger you, considering it effectively means people are being scammed out of their money through deception. Two out of the four available "holiday gift offers" literally mean that you're losing money compared to just buying normally. Under EVERY possible circumstance, no exceptions. It is IMPOSSIBLE to not lose money for no benefit if you take those deals, regardless of who you are or what your situation is.

Those 2 offers have no rea*** to exist other than to have some people who don't do the math fall for it and get Whentai some extra cash to the customer's detriment. It's insulting to their customers that such an offer is even being put forward and then justifying it with "just let idiots flush their money down the toilet, nobody cares." Is that how the users are valued at Whentai?

@Dragohn
The rea*** this is an issue is that if you can afford three 20 EV bundles to use the holiday offer, you've already paid more money for 80 EVs than if you'd just bought the 100 EV bundle once instead.

It's a scam to even offer such a deal because if you take it, you have objectively made a loss no matter what. There is NO circumstance in which the holiday deal will get you any profit unless you spend it on the most expensive options, so it shouldn't even be available for the smaller bundles since it's just baiting people into flushing their money down the toilet.

I get DDM. Text was already getting long and i wanted to keep it as short as possible. And like i said: as i unterstand it, that was not the Intention behind it. It needs to be changed to do its actual purpose. That was already clear. I am just trying to calm things down here.

Deepdarkmemes- I could make list of artists that are scammers (redrawing existing stuff)... but I dont wanna shout out names again and then get warning and **** like that...
....
With Admins- they meant it good- yeah it's not thinked through but.... you know games with the transaction are doing the same- they giving up some free points as a good gesture- I understand its not worthy for them to go through prices and edit them to make it fairer...
Its classic stuff for me: pay more- get more...

Like Its mistake or bad move or bad idea- but definetly not SCAM

Remember when everything on this site was free except requesting things. Everyone could see animations and we had no bad ads. It has gotten much worse yes

Sign of the times though Swag, if your going to run a site and make a business out of it your going to have to make choices that wont please everybody, There are costs. It's not like everyone chips in a dollar a month in support and if they did then yeah, this place could be more ad free or have money competitions for artists/users get rewards.

Theres alot more to it than that and conversely your not entitled to immediate free porn by default or by pleading poverty.

Yeah I agree with you about the change. But just like you said to many it is a downgrade compared to 2015. However I do dig the commission section over the request section that was the more popular thing before.

I am not saying I or others are entitled to get what we want. Just stating that things changed for the worse when it comes to animations or all the ads